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siracerjon0

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A couple of questions...
« on: March 08, 2010, 07:02:08 pm »
im painting the last few colors on my 1/144 strike rouge + I.W.S.P and touch ups so i can try to do a wash for the first time... i painted it with testors primer, testors enamel colors and i want to put a coat of pledge future floor shine than another coat with some acrylic flat in there... and do the wash with black enamel and enamel paint thinner... does this sound right to you?
also after i spray it on my gundam would windex window cleaner be able to clean out my airbrush?

also i've decided to work on my brothers gn-009 seraphim gundam  (ill probably pick up the main gundam once im done) long story short i want to make it look battle damaged (with enamels) but im absolutely clueless of what do do... any ideas?

O and is there any other substitute i could use for enamel primer out of the can? cause it costs a pretty penny and im almost out and want to try somethin new...
« Last Edit: March 08, 2010, 07:32:47 pm by siracerjon0 »
the thicker the quicker ;)

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Re: A couple of questions...
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2010, 02:01:24 am »
Hi Sira, hmmm... my questin is what battle damage ur goin to do first? do you need to do ur kit some scratch effect using paint or really need to damage your kit, then do paint? you can check it out how it looks like my gundam exia, i really do damage my kits, kind of it hurt.... then just using water base paint to do the effect or use tamiya pastel wearthering can also use it....  ;)
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Re: A couple of questions...
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 03:59:25 am »
With your first question I would:
Primer => enamel main coat => black wash => acrylic flat coat

Reason: The wash may have gloss streaks or the the added enamel thinner may scuff the dull coat. It is safer to use the acrylic top coat last...

Windex is fantastic for cleaning out the air brush but spray a cup full of metho just to get any added soap scuds or left over paint out of it. Make sure to pull it apart every now and then for a good deep clean out...

Personal experience always tells me to use hobby branded primer. If you have an air brush it is much cheaper to buy it in liquid form then can like Mr. Surface or Tamiya. But some have had success using automotive primer out of a can o the cheap.   

I'll leave the weathering side of things to labstoys but feel free to check out my kits which are normally weathered... 

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Re: A couple of questions...
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2010, 08:13:41 am »
With your first question I would:
Primer => enamel main coat => black wash => acrylic flat coat

Reason: The wash may have gloss streaks or the the added enamel thinner may scuff the dull coat. It is safer to use the acrylic top coat last...

Windex is fantastic for cleaning out the air brush but spray a cup full of metho just to get any added soap scuds or left over paint out of it. Make sure to pull it apart every now and then for a good deep clean out...

Personal experience always tells me to use hobby branded primer. If you have an air brush it is much cheaper to buy it in liquid form then can like Mr. Surface or Tamiya. But some have had success using automotive primer out of a can o the cheap.   

I'll leave the weathering side of things to labstoys but feel free to check out my kits which are normally weathered... 


well i need to spray the acrylic clear coat before i do the enamel black wash right?

and whats metho exactly?

and i dont use tamiya acrylics... i use testors enamel, :/ i was debating whether or not to switch to acrylics cause everybody is doing it but im clueless when it comes to cleaning acrylic out of ur gun... plus i have a LOT of industial bottles of enamel thinner lying around... o and mr. hobby isnt really around here in Oregon, USA. and i just get my stuff at hobbytown USA...

Hi Sira, hmmm... my questin is what battle damage ur goin to do first? do you need to do ur kit some scratch effect using paint or really need to damage your kit, then do paint? you can check it out how it looks like my gundam exia, i really do damage my kits, kind of it hurt.... then just using water base paint to do the effect or use tamiya pastel wearthering can also use it....  ;)

well i want to enamel primer the joints than paint them grey and dry brush them with silver... just really roughly... (does this sound about right to u?) and primer and paint the body black and maybe add some scratches etc. but dont know if i should damage it first or paint it first... than how to color it without leaving brush marks... and maybe touch some edges with silver etc. does this sound right?
the thicker the quicker ;)

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Re: A couple of questions...
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2010, 09:30:04 pm »
Sorry siracerjon0 I'll try to go into some detail and my mistakes...

Primer => enamel main coat => pledge future floor => black wash => acrylic flat coat

Metho = Methylated Spirits 
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In the UK, Australia, and New Zealand, metho is called methylated spirits

If you are happy with testors enamel and have tones on thinner to suit then there is no reason to switch. I personally own a range of paints and find they all have a different charm. One day I enjoy Tamiya acrylics then the next kit is done in enamel. Just because everybody uses one product doesn't mean you have to follow the sheep...


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Re: A couple of questions...
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 12:13:02 am »
Sorry siracerjon0 I'll try to go into some detail and my mistakes...

Primer => enamel main coat => pledge future floor => black wash => acrylic flat coat

Metho = Methylated Spirits 
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In the UK, Australia, and New Zealand, metho is called methylated spirits

If you are happy with testors enamel and have tones on thinner to suit then there is no reason to switch. I personally own a range of paints and find they all have a different charm. One day I enjoy Tamiya acrylics then the next kit is done in enamel. Just because everybody uses one product doesn't mean you have to follow the sheep...



ok so (enamel)primer>enamel base color> future floor shine> than enamel black wash (using enamel thinner to wipe it)>than another hand of future floor shine missed 40%-50% tamiya acrylic base... that it?

o and in america at home depot they call methylated spirits (Denatured alcohol) is that the right stuff?
the thicker the quicker ;)

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Re: A couple of questions...
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 12:35:46 am »
how exactly do u apply the coat of pledge... just spray on the kit.. or what?

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Re: A couple of questions...
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 01:26:04 am »
ok so (enamel)primer>enamel base color> future floor shine> than enamel black wash (using enamel thinner to wipe it)>than another hand of future floor shine missed 40%-50% tamiya acrylic base... that it?

That's correct...

o and in america at home depot they call methylated spirits (Denatured alcohol) is that the right stuff?

Yep, that should do the trick...

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Re: A couple of questions...
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 07:25:42 am »
how exactly do u apply the coat of pledge... just spray on the kit.. or what?

well from what i read its got a levelizer so if u brush it on, it will smoothin by itself... but normally people shoot it threw their airbrush...
the thicker the quicker ;)

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Re: A couple of questions...
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2010, 07:28:07 pm »
i went to home depot and actually found mineral spirits, and got some of that... when i noticed that it says it thins out oil-base paints... so does that mean i could thin enamel AND acrylics with it? and if so i also use normal paint thinner for my enamel... would that be able to thin acrylic as well?

something tells me that i bought the wrong stuff.. -_-
« Last Edit: March 15, 2010, 11:12:09 pm by siracerjon0 »
the thicker the quicker ;)

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Re: A couple of questions...
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2010, 06:40:48 am »
something tells me that i bought the wrong stuff.. -_-

Yeah me too....

Why don't you try that alcohol stuff zero mention in his hand painting with Tamiya thread... 

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Re: A couple of questions...
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2010, 12:55:50 pm »
Use low odour turpentine to thin the enamels and Isopropyl Alcohol to thin the acrylics.

Or when in doubt, buy the same brand thinner as your paint (eg if using Tamiya acrylics, buy Tamiya Acrylic Thinners).