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Youtube's Prime92 advertising bootleg Bandai models
« on: November 21, 2009, 06:15:39 pm »
I'm sure a lot of you knows a guy on Youtube.com called Prime92 http://www.youtube.com/user/Prime92 he reviews Bandai snapped Gundam models with something like 500 kits in his collection and over 3000 followers. I've been very activity on youtube again and found this net idol openly recommending a bootleg of a Bandai kit...

He is the video in question http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61qfHpVywlQ ...
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2009, 06:33:42 pm »
What's wrong with that? It's not like he gets sponsored by Bandai. He can review what he wants. It depends on his viewers.

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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2009, 03:04:35 pm »
What's wrong with that? It's not like he gets sponsored by Bandai. He can review what he wants. It depends on his viewers.

There is really something wrong with that, by promoting fake kits to newcomers of the hobbies, they are tempted to buy it.  It's ok to buy fakes, but promoting them to an extent is something else.

Just my two cents though

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Re: Youtube's Prime92 advertising bootleg Bandai models
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2009, 04:31:30 pm »
The beef I have is with all that influence a trend could possibly start were people starts to make the switch to these bootlegs. Second from what I can see these bootlegs are getting bloody good and could match the same quality as originals. At a third of the price it will be a no brainier for people to buy these kits though word of mouth and these videos...

Now I'm not saying this will put Bandai out of business. What could occur is Bandai pulling funding from projects like the Caravan kit give away program or other activity's suck as a new Bakuc for a different country...     

The new videos are on the same band wagon...

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Re: Youtube's Prime92 advertising bootleg Bandai models
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2009, 07:49:29 pm »
prime92 is a girl first of all and second of all there not bootleg unless they are bad quality which they arent

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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2009, 09:31:48 pm »
prime92 is a girl first of all and second of all there not bootleg unless they are bad quality which they arent

Actually here is the definition of bootlegs

From wikipedia...

"Bootleg or bootlegging usually refers to making, transporting and/or selling illegal alcoholic liquor or copyrighted material"

And as we know Gundam related products are registered under Bandai, the animations under Sunrise.  By distributing Gundam related products without the knowledge of the distributors or the copyright holder is a direct offence against the Copyright Rule.

So yeah no matter how good they are, you can't hide the fact that they are but mere copies of original copyrighted products.


And if you ask me why Bandai isn't doing anything to prevent it's distribution, I can't answer that :D.  I guess they feel it's just a waste of time and money since the majority of people are still buying originals instead of these copies.

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Re: Youtube's Prime92 advertising bootleg Bandai models
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 03:19:19 am »
 :( wikipedia is altered

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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 05:10:23 am »
:( wikipedia is altered

Ok how about the dictionary? ::)

boot·leg  (btlg)
v. boot·legged, boot·leg·ging, boot·legs
v.tr.
1. To make, sell, or transport (alcoholic liquor) for sale illegally.
2. To produce, distribute, or sell without permission or illegally: a clandestine outfit that bootlegs compact discs and tapes.
v.intr.
1. To engage in the bootlegging of alcoholic liquor or another product.
2. To attach a transmitter to a dish antenna, creating an uplink via which a signal is sent to a satellite without the knowledge of the satellite's owner.
3. Football To fake a hand-off, conceal the ball on the hip, and roll out in order to pass or especially to rush around the end. Used of a quarterback.
n.
1. A product, especially alcoholic liquor, that is illicitly produced, distributed, or sold.
2. The part of a boot above the instep.
3. Football A play in which the quarterback bootlegs.


The fact still remains simple, these copies are simply knockoffs.  Advertising them can lead to serious trouble if a company becomes aware of this.

Same thing happened in the video game industry way back when emulators are on the rage (and yes many were sued for illegally selling or distributing copyrighted materials)
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Re: Youtube's Prime92 advertising bootleg Bandai models
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2009, 06:49:36 am »
ichiboy92:
I'm not after a flame war or anything, just an interesting topic to talk about (the forum has been slow lately). To clear things up most of Prime92's stock is real but the last kit and her up coming kits are made by a group called TT Hongli in China and not Bandai in Japan...

...and second of all there not bootleg unless they are bad quality which they arent

I always thought like that until I saw this video, in this short period of time the bootleg manufactures may have improved the kit quality to Bandai standards. This fact disturbs me in a way were the market could be flooded with them... 

And if you ask me why Bandai isn't doing anything to prevent it's distribution, I can't answer that :D.  I guess they feel it's just a waste of time and money since the majority of people are still buying originals instead of these copies.

They may be like how the music and film industry is trying to stop people illegally downloading copy right contend with out paying. In this situation should we at least email Bandai about these videos to give a help in hand or should we butt out?

 

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Re: Youtube's Prime92 advertising bootleg Bandai models
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 07:49:23 am »
when someone is buying bootlegs, it's just stealing, that's exactly waht TT hongli does, Only thing that may come from it is making kits worse - if bandai would have to reduce costs to keep with bootlegs. AFAIK most income isn't from Gunpla, and surely not from international sales. But it's still just wrong to buy them , altough therea re very diffrent situations in life, and diffrent people have difftrent morals so sometimes you can understand them. But that's about buying. Adverstising on the other hand is completly diffrent story, one way or another it has to be stopped, If we, as a Gunpla coomunity should intervene, we should first write to Prime92 and ask politley to stop. Getting as many people to do it ma be a good idea. Prime92 is realy a great reviewer, and she may not completly realize how big influence on people she has.
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Re: Youtube's Prime92 advertising bootleg Bandai models
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2009, 08:36:10 am »
Only thing that may come from it is making kits worse - if bandai would have to reduce costs to keep with bootlegs.

Well, I have to nitpick here...

How can you assume the end result of bootlegging would be inferior product coming out of Bandai?  As things stand, Bandai is the only company that can produce injection kits of Gundam subjects.  This is similar to a monopoly.  (It is not a monopoly only because other manufacturers can, and do, produce robot kits from other series...  But if we want an injection kit of a Gundam or a Zaku, we're buying a Bandai product.  There are no alternatives.)  Because people want "Gundam" specifically, it is almost as though Bandai has no competition.  No matter how much a particular Bandai Gundam kit may be lacking (*cough* MG Zaku F2), no one can step into the market and offer a better alternative, due to copyright law.  Bandai, at present, doesn't need to make the best product or offer it at the best price, because Gundam is in demand, and they are the only game in town.  Subverting the system is the only way that changes, given that copyright is periodically redefined to last for "more than the number of years since Mickey Mouse was introduced"  It seems to me, pragmatically speaking, that the effect of bootlegging would rather be Bandai fighting harder to make their own product stand out as the better choice: producing items at a level of quality the bootleggers can't match.  If they were to fight a price war, they would lose, so it seems more likely to me they would stand on the basis of quality.

I don't support bootlegging, I just disagree with your interpretations about its practical effects.  I think that even when we don't agree with certain of society's rules, the fact still exists that those are the rules of our society - and people have developed entire business plans that rely upon those rules as they are.  It's unfair to expect "a big company" to play by the rules if we, ourselves, do not.
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2009, 09:36:05 am »
if you guys wanna chat with her online i can arange a session 8) ;D :D :-* :) ;) ::)

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Re: Youtube's Prime92 advertising bootleg Bandai models
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2009, 09:46:48 am »
@tetsujin

You see, bootlrgs quality is getting better and better and with this price diffrence (ie. MG Sinanju for 27$) a liitle loss in quality is good trade off (from some point of view). Please correct me if I'm wrong but the thing is, due to Chinees law, bandai can't actualy fight bootleg companies directly.
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2009, 05:49:40 pm »
if you guys wanna chat with her online i can arange a session 8) ;D :D :-* :) ;) ::)

That would really be cool, people do enjoy her reviews and I don't want to stop that. Send me a PM of the details and we will talk it over...

@tetsujin:
You may possibly be correct on the effects and pose a great argument but aulon has a point with how the quality is very close to Bandai standards at a faction of the price. At this point everything is in the air and no one knows what could possibly happen. One thing for sure Bandai will not go Bankrupt but in the long run there free services will be the first to be affected...

Please correct me if I'm wrong but the thing is, due to Chinees law, bandai can't actualy fight bootleg companies directly.

I would love to find out if this is true or not...

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2009, 03:40:27 pm »
tt hongli's hi nu gundam is not bad for a ko